Comments on: Spring Python makes final 1.0.0 release http://blog.springpython.webfactional.com/2009/07/01/spring-python-makes-final-1-0-0-release/ Spring + Python = Power Sat, 06 Mar 2010 23:23:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Kay Schluehr http://blog.springpython.webfactional.com/2009/07/01/spring-python-makes-final-1-0-0-release/comment-page-1/#comment-43 Kay Schluehr Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:57:21 +0000 http://blog.springpython.webfactional.com/?p=251#comment-43 <i>I feel like Spring Python in jython will probably be more pythonic than Spring Framework classes.For one thing, the DatabaseTemplate is probably more succinct and less bulky than the JdbcTemplate. Using python collections is probably easier to parse than Java collections.</i> Python collections map directly to Java collections in Jython. If Java requires a List than passing a Python list is just adequate. The Java integration in Jython is the best part of Jython as far as I can tell. So I'll take you by the word and going a bit into Java Spring + Jython for the next 3-4 weeks ( after clarifying some basics ). I've no prior experience with Spring, so I need to learn it while creating a small layer above Spring for Jython. Jython needs more showcases of what's doable - not just running popular Python frameworks like Django which has no idea what to make of Java at all. I feel like Spring Python in jython will probably be more pythonic than Spring Framework classes.For one thing, the DatabaseTemplate is probably more succinct and less bulky than the JdbcTemplate. Using python collections is probably easier to parse than Java collections.

Python collections map directly to Java collections in Jython. If Java requires a List than passing a Python list is just adequate. The Java integration in Jython is the best part of Jython as far as I can tell.

So I’ll take you by the word and going a bit into Java Spring + Jython for the next 3-4 weeks ( after clarifying some basics ). I’ve no prior experience with Spring, so I need to learn it while creating a small layer above Spring for Jython.

Jython needs more showcases of what’s doable – not just running popular Python frameworks like Django which has no idea what to make of Java at all.

]]> By: gregturn http://blog.springpython.webfactional.com/2009/07/01/spring-python-makes-final-1-0-0-release/comment-page-1/#comment-42 gregturn Sun, 05 Jul 2009 03:36:19 +0000 http://blog.springpython.webfactional.com/?p=251#comment-42 My first love for python was the fact that many, MANY libraries originally written in C could now be wrapped with python, and accessible through this nice, higher level language. But the more you can code in pure python, the better. Consider things like Google App Engine. That is something originally available in python, before they got to java access. The deal was, you couldn't use any of the C-extensions people had, but instead use pure python. That is why i want to move towards a pure python implementation of Spring Python. Right now, we depend on Amara, which has a C-extension in it, so we can't run it on GAE or inside jython. There are plans to migrate off of Amara, so that we can support more platforms. If we can get to pure python, you can use it side-by-side with the Spring Framework in jython, and decide which better suits your needs. Who knows? Perhaps a mixture may be exactly what you need. I can't make promises because every application is different. But the more choices, the better. I feel like Spring Python in jython will probably be more pythonic than Spring Framework classes. For one thing, the DatabaseTemplate is probably more succinct and less bulky than the JdbcTemplate. Using python collections is probably easier to parse than Java collections. My first love for python was the fact that many, MANY libraries originally written in C could now be wrapped with python, and accessible through this nice, higher level language. But the more you can code in pure python, the better. Consider things like Google App Engine. That is something originally available in python, before they got to java access. The deal was, you couldn’t use any of the C-extensions people had, but instead use pure python. That is why i want to move towards a pure python implementation of Spring Python. Right now, we depend on Amara, which has a C-extension in it, so we can’t run it on GAE or inside jython. There are plans to migrate off of Amara, so that we can support more platforms. If we can get to pure python, you can use it side-by-side with the Spring Framework in jython, and decide which better suits your needs. Who knows? Perhaps a mixture may be exactly what you need. I can’t make promises because every application is different. But the more choices, the better. I feel like Spring Python in jython will probably be more pythonic than Spring Framework classes. For one thing, the DatabaseTemplate is probably more succinct and less bulky than the JdbcTemplate. Using python collections is probably easier to parse than Java collections.

]]> By: Kay Schluehr http://blog.springpython.webfactional.com/2009/07/01/spring-python-makes-final-1-0-0-release/comment-page-1/#comment-41 Kay Schluehr Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:46:18 +0000 http://blog.springpython.webfactional.com/?p=251#comment-41 Greg, there is something I wonder about regarding your project. I'm right now approaching Java from Python using Jython and this seems to be a more evident vector. It's also something which doesn't need much justification in general because that's what Python has always been about: scripting and providing a simple, direct and succinct access to libraries/frameworks written in other languages. Greg, there is something I wonder about regarding your project. I’m right now approaching Java from Python using Jython and this seems to be a more evident vector. It’s also something which doesn’t need much justification in general because that’s what Python has always been about: scripting and providing a simple, direct and succinct access to libraries/frameworks written in other languages.

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